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The potential delay of October's elections puts the country near the precipice of a constitutional disaster but could leave positive remnants, as well


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#1 Posted by

Ian Dowie
Sep 16, 2009 6:08 pm CET

Mr Klaus at least seems to grasp the seriousness of the current court dillema. 'I am deeply concerned by todays constitutional court decision; which in fact means the postponement of the lower house elections indefinitly' (D.W World.DE) Mr Klaus has also grasped that 'The time is coming when a new definition of the constitutional courts rights will have to be adopted',(Associated press 11/09). Judge Pavel Hollander even commented that the constitution could be suspended by an ad hoc law only in cases of emergency such as war. Jiri Paroubek said he was sure the courts ruling was 'in breach of the constitution'. It is difficult to see where the constitutional court has any creedence regarding its obligations to the people. What can be said is many people have little confidence in the courts comptetence.

#2 Posted by

ian d
Unregistered user
Sep 16, 2009 1:06 pm CET

The leader of the conservative party in the U.K. said today that he would be recomending that in a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty for voters to say no. (BBC). The delaying tactics used in forcing the Czech constitutional court to delay elections were to this end. The 'patsy' has sucseeded in carrying out his 'masters' wishes'. 'Deep throat'.

#3 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 5:08 pm CET

Jiri: please answer my question. Why do you defend a country which starts wars and murders people?

#4 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 4:57 pm CET

"So which wars have these countries started in the past fifty years? At worst there have been a few minor skirmishes."

All of these countries are quite comfortable now behind their"Magginot Line" of nuclear weapons.)except the Spain)They are not however able to launch anything significant anymore as their past glory is all but gone.
Even those "little skirmishes"they started resulted in deaths of innocents.

As I said USA does not need any defence from me from people like you.People like you are "dime a dozen: and means nothing.

#5 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 4:38 pm CET

>>I am not defending Great Britain,France nor Spain.

So which wars have these countries started in the past fifty years? At worst there have been a few minor skirmishes. The US has started wars all over the world within your life-time and millions of people have been killed maimed and tortured.

Why do you defend the undefensible?

#6 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 4:26 pm CET

"Why do you defend a country which starts wars, invades countries, kills innocent civilians and tortures prisoners?"

I am not defending Great Britain,France nor Spain.

#7 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 4:19 pm CET

"In your mind, anyone who criticises the US has rabies."

Not true,only those that are unreasonable and obsessed.

If you have any comment about what I originally wrote,reply!
If not, go back to your loony-left,anarchist and cospiracy websites.You will be welcome there-or maybe not as they may think that with your illogical sophistry:"who needs enemy with the friend like that."

#8 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 3:51 pm CET

>>rabid anti-American rants.

In the old CSSR, anyone who criticised the regime was an "class enemy" or a "counter-revolutionary". In your mind, anyone who criticises the US has rabies.

Why do you defend a country which starts wars, invades countries, kills innocent civilians and tortures prisoners? Do you have some kind of "group - loyalty" like a football supporter? Or is the problem that you don't know much about US foreign policy and so you just believe everything that Lloyd Robertson tells you to believe about your southern neighbour - just like you believed everything you were told about 9/11?

#9 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 3:30 pm CET

Just to add to my last comment.
It is you who is deflecting the discussion not me.I was commenting on minor constitution crisis in Czech Republic.I was commenting on the publicly printed political article written by the person with "the axe to grind"attitude.
You,on the contrary reverted to your favorite obsession-rabid anti-American rants.

By the way,I am not as gullible as you think about USA.While I think that their political system is the best(certainly far better than overrated parliamentary system that some describe more like parliamentary dictatorship rather than parliamentary democracy)I understand that their own interest is at the top of anything they do-just like any other country.

To those who like to put down President Klaus at anything he does or says most Czechs agree with him and that is important, not what detractors say.

#10 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 3:29 pm CET

>>Overall,its political system is one of the best and definitelly far more modern than any in Europe.

If arrest without trial and torture are "modern", then you are right. However it is hardly more advanced and it is most definitely not benign.

>>I lived in CSSR for 23 years.I experienced all encompassing excesses of its communist rule.

I didn't say that that Jiri Hubacek was happy there, I said that it was relatively benign. How many people died as a result of the actions of the CSSR? How many lost their homes? How many were maimed or tortured? During exactly this period the US was responsible for the deaths of over two million innocent civilians in one of the most brutal wars in history, which it started. Go back to your history books.

#11 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 2:48 pm CET

"Why do you try so hard to defend a country like that? The CSSR was *far* more benign: you are able to see the oppression which took place there, but are blind to what is happening in your own back yard."

I do not think that USA has any need to be defended by unimportant person as myself.It is able to do it very well by itself.
Overall,its political system is one of the best and definitelly far more modern than any in Europe.

As far as saying that former CSSR was far more "benign" than USA,you are completelly lost.
I lived in CSSR for 23 years.I experienced all encompassing excesses of its communist rule.
You only know anything about it second or even third hand through yours loony left websites.
We been there already and it is best not go there anymore as we will never agree.

#12 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 2:08 pm CET

Jiri: Instead of trying to deflect my comments, have a little look at what has been happening recently south of the border. In the US a person (such as you) can be arrested and held indefinitely without trial on the whim of the government. The US government kidnaps people in sovereign countries and tortures them.

Why do you try so hard to defend a country like that? The CSSR was *far* more benign: you are able to see the oppression which took place there, but are blind to what is happening in your own back yard.

#13 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 1:57 pm CET

"Jiri: in the US the constitution has been much more profounded destroyed than that of Venezuela. Stop watching Faux News and you will get a better perspective on events."

And how is it "faux"?(silly play on words)The rest of my examples are also based on fact.Take your blinkers off if you want to be relevant,will you?
By the way,Hugo Chavez started his political career being part of military coup- not really that far back in time,so you can see his mentality.

I am not going to play your game of constant nagging about USA.
Did you read the constitution of People's Republic of China,by any chance?I bet that you did not.However,that would be a major step in your reeducation in your loony left mentality.

#14 Posted by

Peter Andrews
Sep 14, 2009 8:53 am CET

Jiri: in the US the constitution has been much more profounded destroyed than that of Venezuela. Stop watching Faux News and you will get a better perspective on events.

#15 Posted by

ian d
Unregistered user
Sep 14, 2009 7:28 am CET

If it is proved that the constititional court exceeded its powers and ignored public interest (delaying elections)-Article 9 Constitutional laws; section 3)- 'legal norms cannot be interpretated as warrenting the removal or threatening of the foundations of the democratic state', ,Having the power to delay national elections is a threat to the most sacred of foundations, the peoples right to vote. This leaves the constitutional court in a position of further legal challenge in that it has threatened the democratic state, and if upheled, would mean, in simple terms, the sacking of the constitutional court. Investigation into collusion would also be required.
Common sence would indicate that Mr Melcaks complaint has 'minor validity' but in the interests of the people is not upheld. It is a threat to the constitution that Mr Melcak should have factored into the complaint. The court would be within its rights to pursue Mr Melcaks complaint as part of a larger conspiracy against the people. If it could be proved in court that the delaying of the Lisbon Treaty was the in fact the real motive behind the complaint; lengthy jail sentences would be the outcome.

#16 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Sep 14, 2009 6:08 am CET

Ex Bolivian President tried to change constitution illegally to suit his desire to stay in power.
Hugo Chavez corrupts Venezuela's constitution on regular basis in his desire to stay in power.
There are indirect asaults on the constitution in Russia that tries to perpetuate the present government.Any article in the constitution of the People's Republic of China is subdependent to the needs of China's Communist Party and the interpretation made about it by the same Communist party.The constitution court in China and Communist Party is the same"animal",so to speak.Do not take my words for it.Read it!!

And you are worrying about very borderline amendement to constitution that allows the election to install a legitimate government in political vacuum that is now in Czech Republic?As far as I am concerned,the Constitutional Court- in this case- is only trying to protect or even to expands its unprecendent privilege to influence the politics against the wishes of elected representatives of all parties.

Jiri Pehe could not resist to present unfair dig on President Klaus that really has nothing to do with the constitutional crisis presented.It,of course springs from his days as political hack for former President Havel.
It is therefore neutralizing any marginally valid points that he makes about the whole mess brought forward by the politician that does not want to lose his job that was given to him for indefinite period of time by electorate.

#17 Posted by

ian d
Unregistered user
Sep 10, 2009 6:42 pm CET

At what point do 'elder statesmen' and the legal system agree that things cannot go on as they have been. Power is the issue; if the people are the power; then the recent fiasco does not represent that. The constitution should always be in deference to the people, the majority in parliament. Technical issues; that have seen national elections disrupted; of all things; should have been dealt with swiftly by the constitutional court. To stop national elections; is serious stuff!!
Look south of the Czech border; observe a legal and political meltdown; this has to be a learning curve. Just a growing pain, like the floods in recent past years, it will be weathered.
 
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