Islam opponent to visit Prague

>>Too many people in recent history of Europe(and far more in the world at large)did die or were maimed by terrorist Islamists that not only want to preserve privileges they already have in Europe but are set to proselytize their Sharia laws by force on others,who do not have their beliefs.

Eh...you've been watching too much Fox "News" again!

The Sound of Music; Heidi running around in a kaftan; the cows all singing along in Arabic;
'The Hills are alive..with the sound of Allah' a sense of humour and proportion is no bad thing...

" Well; as Christmas approaches I need to adjust my selfishness and contribute by giving and acknowledging that my opinion is empty without support of my fellow humans. I have no wish to contribute anything that divides and adds confusion;"

Jan,Your opinions are welcome just as they are.
For myself,I use them as a starting point to express my own opinions-whether I agree or disagree is unimportant.
I think that your opinions are far more circumspect than many others on this blog.

Merry Christmass.

Jiri; I share concerns regarding any acts of violence against people in the name of religion that acts above the law of the land. I just felt that the invitation to express concern of religious matters could have been more tactful. Well; as Christmas approaches I need to adjust my selfishness and contribute by giving and acknowledging that my opinion is empty without support of my fellow humans. I have no wish to contribute anything that divides and adds confusion; so with your grace I will refrain from political conjecture and lend a helping hand to where the obvious human needs points. I wish you happy and heartfelt season of goodwill; may your spirit sustain you; yours Jan.

"What remains a mystery is the need for 'scare stories' ; "

Real mystery is why people try to minimize those "scare stories".
Too many people in recent history of Europe(and far more in the world at large)did die or were maimed by terrorist Islamists that not only want to preserve privileges they already have in Europe but are set to proselytize their Sharia laws by force on others,who do not have their beliefs.

Perhaps you would like to go to Iran,Sudan,Morocco,Saudi Arabia,Egypt and other muslim countries and try to teach in public your liberal theory of freedom of religion and culture that frees the womanfolk from deep religious and cultural oppression?
How long would you last over there?

What remains a mystery is the need for 'scare stories' ; the hightening of fear at the dawning of the Lisbon Treaty. The path leads back to the senate office; the delay of ratification and now the fear of Islam taking over Europe. The smoke screen that has acted as a diversion from fears that regulation will reign in the worst excess of neo-conservative policy. The policies invisaged in 2000 that the free market would dictate political life and that government would need to come cap in hand to 'wealth creation' has not materialised. The structural weaknesses of political management by design through an elitist economic policy crashed. The idea that the economy could be run outside the remit of democratic values has not proved popular; privitisation without checks and balances on the overall health of democratic institutions has divorced many from any trust in civic responsible life.
The rebuilding of this is now the task of the E.U. generation and it may well take many years to install the checks and balances that produce civic government that represents the constitution of all people as opposed to that of appointed 'political managers'.
The velvet reveloution was as much a protest against malfuction and privilage by the few over the many. To safeguard the faultlines in this human behaviour open democracy with room for all viewpoints without fear of 'state clampdown' seems reasonable.
Above all a respect for human dignity regardless of background; color; creed; or religion; where no minority is singled out and denied the equality that all European citizens are born with. In this crucial area the next 100 years in Europe need never fear the last 100 years of history; by learning from historical mistakes debated in a free democratic union.

"The interpretation of text has always had its arguments. What has to be clear; is the seperation between state, and 'stated religion'. This has been at the centre of problems for centuries."

Jan in theory you are right.
State and official religion should be completely separated.
Unfortunatelly,both in history and in the present it is just that-theory.
You can see that in those countries that have a state promoted "Sharia"laws and to some smaller degree in Israel and India.Of course,the Vatican is specialized case,right?

You need to take into account that minorities coming to Europe from Muslim countries(and from other ones too)are not willing to be constrained by the constitution of the host country and are in fact working to corrupt these constitutions to their wants.

Jiri, I think you and I are basically on the same wavelength, despite some misunderstandings which arise through these posts, as arise through one's e-mails.

With the Czech background we share, I am the last one who would hope for violence against muslims, or any other group in Europe, here, or anywhere else(terrorist groups excepted). I see the large scale, intemperate, influx of muslims, and others, into western Europe in particular as tinderbox material because this sort of thing inevitably makes the majority of the locals resentful, even if they don't express their resentment openly(unless given the opportunity as with the Swiss referendum on minarets) and inevitably gives rise to so-called far right groups which I detest and with whom I would never have any dealings - we used to kill the bastards in my family. Political equilibrium has been therefore upset by the omniscient elites, throughout the West, but particularly in Europe. I do hope that that equilibrium has not been upset to the point of being destroyed.

"The people cannot be trusted you know."

How right you are Karel.
it was the same when the people of Brno were not happy with another mosque that was proposed to be built in that city.
All those "bleeding hearts liberals"were accusing them of "biblical sins" in effect because they dared not to be "politically correct".
That is one of the reasons I would welcome Dutchman Wilders to Czech Republic to show what he believes in.Some of what he is saying is based on fact although it surelly it is not "politically correct" by some people.

Now the chorus of outrage against the Swiss vote has begun. Perhaps the Swiss should be compelled to have another vote, this time to ensure the 'right' outcome, just as the Irish had to do in the context of the Lisbon Treaty. The people cannot be trusted you know.

The funny thing about Geert Wilders is that however he is Dutch he is of mixt Dutch Indonesian (say Indonesian Islam) blood. His hair is painted for otherwise he would look like every common black haires mix. Personly I expect him to be the biggest party with the next elections. Not because of Islam but because of the Northafricans with their double passports. Maroc people cannot lose their maroc pasport. so they will never be integrated in Dutch society. Over 90% of the criminal acts is done by young people from Maroc. Many young people from Maroc living in the Netherlands are very welcome Muslim or not. The main problem is that Wilders gives criminals the wrong name. With best geetings of a Orthodox Protestant from the Netherlands.

""I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between." Does that mean you'll settle for half an armageddon?"

No Karel,

I believe that the situation is neither "Nirvana" nor Armageddon.I also believe that while terrorism does cause both personal and state grief,it will not be able to change overall thrust of democracy(perhaps thrust of European Union will be more conductive to Armageddon than terrorism).
Nirvana,though,is real "pie in the skies".After all,we were promised many of those over the history of mankind and where did it get us?

The interpretation of text has always had its arguments. What has to be clear; is the seperation between state, and 'stated religion'. This has been at the centre of problems for centuries. In simple tems; quoting the bible or koran won't get you out of a speeding ticket on Staromestka!!!

I question quality of speaker; motive; and wisdom of office. Out of all the 'speakers' one could invite the best is this?

Jiri, "You,on the other hand seem to be preoccupied(based on what you just said) with coming armageddon."

Me preoccupied? Look at western Europe Jiri. It is their secret services and police who are preoccupied, not me. How many more terrorist 'events' in the UK will it take before things turn nasty? Or Germany, or France, etc.? Are the Brits ever off the highest possible terror alert? You tell me.

"I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between." Does that mean you'll settle for half an armageddon?

"The Age of Aquarius of the Woodstock generation and all its peace, love and happiness is long gone. The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Karel,what you call Age of Aquarious never existed except in the minds of people who had mistaken their halucinations from marijuana,LSd and other drugs for the "nirvana"and other paradises.
In fact those people with this delusions got us to this world mess.
You,on the other hand seem to be preoccupied(based on what you just said) with coming armageddon.

I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between.

Jiri, from where I sit, the number of muslims in western Europe now far exceeds the amount of space available on the welcome mat, particularly in the Netherlands and even France, and even one must surmise in good old Switzerland, a country you seldom hear about except in regard to tourism. The (slow)emergence of so-called far-right groups throughout Europe is inextricably linked to the rise of muslim immigration. But of course, it's not only muslims who are haunting the west European imagination, but the countless hordes from the Third World who are slowly increasing their numbers throughout Europe. None of this can be very comforting for the 'ordinary' folk, outside the elites. So, to put it baldly, when I say it is going to end very badly, think odsun, think civil war, think concentration camps, think Enoch Powell's rivers of blood, because that's where it is all heading. The Age of Aquarius of the Woodstock generation and all its peace, love and happiness is long gone. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yes,silent majorities will speak again.I do not know,however why it should "end very badly" as you said Karel.
Perhaps you can expand on that one.

Well, the Swiss have spoken, 57% of them. They will embolden other 'silent' majorities throughout Europe to not be silent. I can't help feeling this is all going to end very badly, and at a time when Europeans are groping in the dark for something solid on which to build their project.

Was the invitation guilded with the opportuinty to speak at the Senate? It is with genuine heart felt concern; that invitations to speak within the Czech political sphere need a clear line of direction.
Was the invitation made on behalf of the government?
Was it made on behalf of a leading poitical party?
Mr Wilders views can be read on the internet. The government should at least be accountable to its people in saying that no invitation to speak was given. This at least gives those who trust in democtaric values knowledge that the speaker is a guest; but not one that the government invited.

The invitation is not supported by the ODS; but when did that ever matter these's days. The senatorial powers acts outside parliament and there will be more issuse's in which this situation repeats its methadology. The merits of the visit seem hard to find given all viewpoints taken into account. It may well be this is the way things will continue; parliament having to explain senators thinking.

Here are some of the reasons why I see the final conflict looking like it has already started.

Besides the Koran giving a written guarantee of paradise for the faithful Muslims "who are slain in the cause of Allah" (chapter 47 verses 4-6), this book also warns that if any able Muslim male will not be prepared to kill and die for the sake of Islam then he will be condemned to abide forever in the fire of hell: "Those that stayed at home were glad that they were left behind by Allah's apostle, for they had no wish to fight for the cause of Allah with their wealth and their persons. They said to each other: 'Do not go to war, the heat is fierce.' Say to them: 'More fierce is the heat of Hell-fire!' Would that they understood!" (chapter 9, verse 81). There are other verses in the Koran that clearly spell out this warning. The radical Muslim therefore, when he sees the need to fight for Islam's sake, will naturally go the way the father of Islam and the violent conquest of 7th-century Arabia direct him. The warnings in the Koran of endless extreme torment in the fire of hell for those who ignore the call to arms together with the promise of paradise to all Islamic martyrs, and the historic bloody battles fought in 7th-century Arabia that gave Muslims the victory in those days, will all be greatly heeded by the devout and faithful Muslim of today.

By the time Mohammed died, much of Arabia had been conquered. His devout followers, continuing in their 'holy war' for an Islamic world then went on to conquer the rest of Arabia and large parts of Asia, Africa and Europe. Any continued violent opposition to Islamic rule was always met with a violent response just as soon as such action was considered worthwhile, and 9/11 was a clear warning of things to come.

In 2005 Alastair Lawson for the BBC reported, "It is estimated that there are now around 20,000 madrassas in Pakistan, compared to around 137 at the time of partition. According to the Pakistani newspaper, The News, there are today around 1.7m students who attend such institutions, mainly from poor rural families." The primary aim of these institutions is to teach in depth, the Koran and the way of Mohammed. How far then has radical Islam reached into Pakistan, a now largely moderate Muslim country already armed with nuclear weapons? History shows that through the corruption, division and weakness of others did a united militant Islam spread most swiftly.

In this time of global Islamic revival let us ask, how many believers in the Koran, who faithfully follow the way of their 'prophet' (or potential radical believers in Islam) work or are preparing to work in nuclear technology? How many work in security? How many serve in the armed forces? It would be naive in the extreme to assume the present leader(s) of the same uncompromising Islam that first spread across Arabia, are not already planning and working to acquire weapons of mass destruction for Islam's defence and expansion. It would be equally naive to think that faithful and devout followers of Mohammed are not already planning how to smuggle those weapons into the cities of their enemies who seek to put an end to the ordered and chosen way of the radical Muslim. We should not forget either that the radical Shiite clerics of Iran look as though they may also very soon have control over nuclear weapons, and with the power to destroy cities comes the power to bring to ruin a degenerate and hated West that grows more corrupt by the day and now fights an open bloody war to put an end to Islam as it was in the days of Mohammed.

May we also bare in mind that the more violence used against radical Muslims, which often causes great suffering and offence to many moderate or restrained Muslims, by contemptible governments and corrupt societies, so the more hateful and vengeful do many Muslims become. Real Islam then, as it was in the days of Mohammed, has the motive and almost has the means by which to plunge our world into chaos.


Facing up to reality became my first step to positive thinking. What I now see happening in this world may appear very negative but I can see a good reason for it. My concept of the future is now logical and positive, just as the God I now serve and value above all others.

Best wishes

Yours in Christ