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Island nation accuses ČEZ of damaging its environment


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#1 Posted by

Alex Grenoire
Unregistered user
Feb 4, 2010 7:52 pm CET

Mr Hubacek - you need to think first and shout abuse second (if at all).

The Japanese whalers are breaking the law by killing whales. Greenpeace was trying to uphold that law.

I am sorry if I said you are brain-dead - it's entirely possible that you aren't. However, I have seen a number of your comments on this forum over the past few days, and they do seem to be the product of somebody with more emotion than sense.

I have also noticed that you always take the "official" position, as if you were paid by some government agency. I suspect that most government agencies are a little more selective in whom they employ, however.

#2 Posted by

jan fleur
Unregistered user
Feb 4, 2010 6:00 pm CET

Looking at the political situation in the Ukraine I can't understand why CEZ just upgrade as a matter of ongoing energy concern. The record profits produce scope for a better political platform of security; environment; employment and public confidence. Regarding the security of CEZ recent disclosures are hard to understand when measured against stature. Aggressive tactics in a climate where compromise for common good needs time to heal political scars seems pointless. As a leading company the political and buisness relationship with the country is important; looking at that relationship with people where profit is not the prime goal is a part of responsible future building. Being the leading company in 'clean coal' seems a good goal and export assured. CEZ has scope for leading in many differing positive ways; some of these may need compromise; some may not.

#3 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Feb 4, 2010 4:58 pm CET

"Jiri, why only the other day you were talking about disturbing a vosi hnizdo and look what's happened."

Never mind,Karel
I am immune to poisons amd outpouring of bile.Especially when I see where it comes from.

#4 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Feb 4, 2010 3:14 pm CET

"Unfortunately, Mr Hubacek, a brain-dead defense of authority at all costs...sometimes makes one look stupid. As does writing the word "see" instead of "sea".


I would be interested to know how your "small brain" mentality could come to conclussion that I am brain dead.Perhaps you could "enlighten" us where my opinion was wrong and tell us why whaling ship is an"authority" and why endangering safety at sea(see, no typo here)for an ideology is desirable .
Unfortunatelly people like you who have no ideas of their own will produce comments that have no meaning except relieving the bile of the authors.

#5 Posted by

Karel Bures
Feb 4, 2010 3:03 pm CET

Jiri, why only the other day you were talking about disturbing a vosi hnizdo and look what's happened.

I think these people are really members of the Japanese whaling fraternity; agents provocoteurs actually. As usual, nothing is really what it seems. Mind how you go.

#6 Posted by

Sarah Miles
Unregistered user
Feb 4, 2010 2:13 pm CET

Karel: if your "reality" is that the Japanese will plan another bombing raid on Darwin if Greenpeace doesn't give up its protests...then I suggest you keep taking your medication. In the meantime, stop wasting our time with your inane comments.

#7 Posted by

Karel Bures
Feb 4, 2010 1:57 pm CET

Sarah Miles, not THE Sarah Miles, the actress, correction, actor, surely?

Yes, "brainless hicks". Of course, that's always the way with people who oppose you, isn't it? So precious.

"The overwhelming majority of Australians are educated people ... ".

Is that so? That's quite a bit of hyperbole there, Ms Miles. Hyper-hyperbole I would call it. Well, you do know many Australian people, after all. How many? Ten? Fifty? A hundred? And I'll bet London to a brick, they all think the same as you. Yes, well, I must admit, we do have our share of prats.

Why on earth did you leave us Ms Miles, and would you ever consider returning to us? Weather's good, plenty of room, plenty of nice people like me. Would you be allowed back?

"Fortunately, you are not typical."

Well, Ms Miles, this is about the only thing you have said which conforms to reality. I don't know how many times I've been told 'they' broke the mould where I'm concerned. But look, I take these closing words of yours in good part. In fact you have paid me a sublime compliment. Thank you.

And finally, may I say, I also forgive you your trespass. There.

All's well that ends well.

#8 Posted by

Karel Bures
Feb 4, 2010 1:21 pm CET

Alex Grenoire, at least you haven't called me brain dead. I am not ungrateful. and I am not easily shamed. But, poor old Jiri Hubacek, geez mate, don't you think you're going over the top a bit? Poor bugger cops it from all quarters about his 'poor' English. I mean, really, how low can some of you go? Talk about guttersnipes! How's your Czech, by the way? Tip top is it?

You bums!

#9 Posted by

Sarah Miles
Unregistered user
Feb 3, 2010 7:02 pm CET

"so far as most of us down here are concerned."

No: this is only the opinion of a few brainless hicks. The overwhelming majority of Australians are educated people with a decent respect for their environment and the animals who live in it. I have lived in Australia and know many Australian people. Fortunately, you are not typical.

#10 Posted by

Alex Grenoire
Unregistered user
Feb 3, 2010 6:59 pm CET

Um...the Japanese were the criminals who were trying to kill whales. Greenpeace was trying to stop this senseless and illegal slaughter.

Unfortunately, Mr Hubacek, a brain-dead defense of authority at all costs...sometimes makes one look stupid. As does writing the word "see" instead of "sea".

And as for you Karel - shame on you as well for defending the indefensible.

#11 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Feb 2, 2010 4:55 pm CET

" Everything Greenpeace does strictly follows a long and noble tradition of non-violent direct action to tackle the causes of trouble and solve serious problems."

With a videos available of Greenpeace pirate like attack on Japan's
whale ship this assertion of yours is totally wothless.You recklesly endangered the safety of shipping on open see.You maneuvered your corporation's ultra modern boat in front of the whaling ship and as a consequence of that your boat was destroyed.That was your doing,you also were throwing bottles of noxious stuff on the deck of whaling ship.Japanese exhibited a great restraint in all this pirate action of Greenpeace corporation.They need to be applauded for this restraint and Greenpeace condemned for endangering the sea safety.

#12 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Feb 2, 2010 4:08 am CET

"I'm sure I don't need to tell you either that it is the largest source of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides."

Everybody is concerned about the sulphur and nitrogen compounds with any thermal producer of energy.As long as CEZ will take action on eliminating or significantly reducing these emissions-no matter what technology they use-I and most of people will be happy.I believe that carbon dioxide is no problem at all.After the initial proclamation of UN commission about "probable" cause of climate change, more and more scientists are joining the ranks of people that see it as something not really scientifically supported.However,it is supported by politicians like you(because you are really politician not scientist.)
Just a common sense will direct you to understanding that the planetary and cosmic causes of periodical ice ages and planetary warming cycles are so overwhelming that the very small increase that happened over last two hundred years in level of carbon dioxide has no measurable effect on the climate change that is possibly happening but is only the latest of many in earths geological history.The previous ones did happen without any contribution by humans to this naturally occuring events.

I don't really care if you want to talk just about Prunerov,I stand by what I said about the Greenpeace being "chicken" doing anything within China itself.Your comment to which I am replying to shows that Greenpeace will try to excuse China for its part in poluting the Planet instead of doing something about it.
Your corporation is hypocritical.

#13 Posted by

Karel Bures
Feb 2, 2010 12:32 am CET

Ben Jasper, I am in Australia.

For starters, I would be very pleased if your organisation were to cease provoking diplomatic incidents between my country and Japan over the activities of Japanese whalers in waters south of here. Japan is an important military ally and a very important trading partner for Australia. Furthermore, in the not too distant long ago, Japan was at war with my country, bombed it many times, and threatened to invade it. We don't need any trouble with Japan occasioned by the activities of your organisation over whales. The Japs can have them and eat as many as they like ,so far as most of us down here are concerned. Your idea of progress, as you use it in your penultimate paragraph above, can lead to very dire consequences indeed.

You and your organisation's mission to persuade the stupid masses that climate change, insofar as the climate is changing at all, is the consequence of human activity, is, outside the day to day collisions between states, the reality of geopolitics which will always be with us, the single biggest threat to freedom in the West, outshining any such threat from Islam by a good order of magnitude.

President Vaclav Klaus, your public enemy number one, is my hero, not you, any of you!

#14 Posted by

Ben Jasper
Feb 1, 2010 7:14 pm CET

Thank you Jiri for your delicate remarks, please allow me to explain a few things for you.

First, you must surely be aware that Prunerov is the largest single source of Czech carbon dioxide emissions - in fact, twice as much annually then all the passenger cars in the Karlovy Vary region combined. I'm sure I don't need to tell you either that it is the largest source of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Each country has its largest polluter and Prunerov is the largest in the Czech Republic. Now that an environmental impact assessment is being carried out on the power plant, it is important to remember that Prunerov not only contributes to global climate change but also has detrimental impacts on the health of local people in Chomotov and other parts of Northern Bohemia.

CEZ wants to install out-dated, inefficient and sub-standard technology from the 80s and plans to keep this thing running for another 25 years. By the end of this time, with the technology that CEZ wants to install (which is ALREADY out of date by about 20 years) could leave the Czech Republic's largest power plant nearly 50 years behind modern technology! The Czech Republic, as a valued member of Europe, should be looking for ways to lead the modernisation of infrastructure, not wasting money on scrap. The proposal for Czech Republic to stake an early claim in the Green Economy is one that some politicians with sufficient foresight are taking very seriously and it starts by investing in clean and efficient technology.

Your other point was about China. Yes, China is the single largest emitting country in the world now and a large proportion of its greenhouse gas contributions do come from coal combustion. There have been many accusations about China's role in the failed Copenhagen climate summit but all too often those with a vested interest often try to deflect and defer criticism of themselves by simply blaming China and thereby not admitting that they themselves contribute too. Greenpeace China does a fantastic job in raising awareness of China's climate responsibilities and the dangers of coal over there, but we are here in the Czech Republic and right now it is the Prunerov EIA which is the most important climate and energy case around.

I feel I should address the accusation made that Greenpeace "brake[sic] laws" in this campaign. Everything Greenpeace does strictly follows a long and noble tradition of non-violent direct action to tackle the causes of trouble and solve serious problems. I think you should be able to tell from the police's reaction that the action mentioned in the article was 100% within the law and there was never any question of the contrary. Greenpeace always works with the health and personal integrity of everyone as the number one priority, which is in stark contrast to CEZ who is trying saving money at the expense of the health of the people of Northern Bohemia again and in so doing, CEZ is attempting to break Czech and European laws.

Karel, maybe this is unusual for you but it is quite normal for progress to be initially met with resistance. Experts and insiders across the world have recognised the significance of the FSM's participation and predict that the transboundary EIA legislation is the appropriate legal tool for expressing concerns about industrial projects wherever they are in the world. I would urge you to read the documentation available if there are things which you do not understand. The Federated States of Micronesia and other vulnerable nations were failed miserably by world leaders in Copenhagen and should be credited for using intelligent and sophisticated legal instruments to work towards real emissions reductions.

The Ministry of the Environment now has a very important decision to make. We hope that the final statement will be a step forward into the 21st Century and not a step back into the 80s.

#15 Posted by

Jiri Hubacek
Jan 29, 2010 3:18 am CET

"In the most visible of a growing list of adversaries against the Prunéřov plant, Greenpeace hosted a protest outside ČEZ's Prague offices Jan. 20, with replicas of smokestacks and activists spraying coal dust on the snow. Ben Jasper of Greenpeace made the organization's demands clear."

Insine and inane got together again!

I would like to know why they do not "protest" in China-the biggest producers of coal energy polution in the world by far.
Could it be that they are too "chicken" to go there and spend some time in Chinese jails?Instead they do not only inconvenience but in effect brake laws in democratic country.

Well,if you feel so strongly about this matter go to China and tell their government and corporations about your concern.Do it in public too and see what will happen.You are chicken.

#16 Posted by

Karel Bures
Jan 29, 2010 1:22 am CET

My God, anyone in the CR who takes this from the Micronesians seriously must be an idiot! This is real theatre of the absurd stuff.
 
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